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NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby RussNelson » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:02 pm

All of the New York State rail trails of which I am aware are available on one map here: http://rutlandtrail.org/gmap.cgi?allrailtrails
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Poughkeepsie NY Bridge

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:29 am

It appears that the New Haven RR Hudson River Bridge at Poughkeepsie is now "up and running".

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/arti ... GECAROUSEL

Tuesday October 5, The New York Times favorably editorialized on the Bridge's restoration as a walking trail:

Brief passage:

    The Henry Hudson anniversary sparked many plans for legacy projects, many of them - including land purchases as a bulwark against view-destroying sprawl - still unrealized. Maybe as the economic and aesthetic benefits of this once-dreamy, impractical vision - saving and fixing a big old bridge - become clearer, people will summon the will and means to dream even bigger.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/opinion/06tue4.html

Two weekends ago, I was "out" for a family wedding. On approach to HPN Runway 16 Friday, from a good flightseeing seat, I saw the Bridge. While in all likelihood it was simply the sun, "I'd swear" the Bridge had been painted Silver!!!
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Re: NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby scottychaos » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:03 am

Great map Russ! :)

Two things from the Rochester area:

1. you show a gap in the Greenway trail between the airport and Genesee Junction.
I understand why the gap is there..its because the trail is not along the railroad bed for that stretch..
but for someone reading the map looking for trails to walk or bike, it looks like no trail exists between those
two points, when in fact it does..the Greenway trail is continous through there, just not on the actual PRR ROW for that "gap"..

Should a trail be shown continously on a map such as this, even for the sections that, out of necessity,
do not follow the old railroad ROW? just so the entire rail-trail is shown? I would vote yes..just so the full trail is on the map.

and that trail should also extend all the way up into downtown Rochester, to Court street, on the west side of the river.
the Greenway follows the PRR into Genesee Valley Park, then a connecting trail follows the former Erie up into downtown,
but its all one continous trail today, just two different railroads..

2. What is the trail from Scottsville to Garbutt?
the only railroad through there is the original BR&P..still in use by the Rochester & Southern railroad today.
Is this technically a "railtrail"? was this an old Gypsum mine spur off the PRR or something like that?
I am not familiar with this line..

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Re: NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby RussNelson » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:12 pm

scottychaos wrote:Great map Russ! :)

Thanks!
1. you show a gap in the Greenway trail between the airport and Genesee Junction.
I understand why the gap is there..its because the trail is not along the railroad bed for that stretch..

Absolutely. That map is produced from my map of all railroads. I've found other difficulties with that format, so I've switched from my own data format to http://OpenStreetMap.org/ . It lets me mark railroads as rail-trails and also mark non-railroad segments as connecting paths. Plus I can connect switches, branches, and spurs so they're connected, and not just near each other.
and that trail should also extend all the way up into downtown Rochester, to Court street, on the west side of the river.
the Greenway follows the PRR into Genesee Valley Park, then a connecting trail follows the former Erie up into downtown,
but its all one continous trail today, just two different railroads..

Yup to that also. If you look on OpenStreetMap, it should be there now. If it's not, you might want to add it in yourself. There's a bit of a learning curve to using the OSM tools, but you can make some nice maps. And then you can search them, so for example, I know that there are about 360 abandoned railroad bridges in New York State (30 of them in Rochester!!).
2. What is the trail from Scottsville to Garbutt?
the only railroad through there is the original BR&P..still in use by the Rochester & Southern railroad today.
Is this technically a "railtrail"? was this an old Gypsum mine spur off the PRR or something like that?
I am not familiar with this line..

Yeah, that was an artifact of how I had entered the GVG. As you say, it's not a trail at all. I've since fixed it on OSM.
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Re: NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby RussNelson » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:05 pm

I have now bicycled all named rail-trails in New York State. http://blog.russnelson.com/bicycling/ra ... s-all.html
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Re: NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:47 am

Mr. Nelson, I wonder how many, if any, rail trails will result from this initiative. With the mention of Putnam County might some.of the NYC "Old Put" become such:

http://nytimes.com/2017/02/20/nyregion/ ... trail.html

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CARMEL, N.Y. — Tim Burns, the owner of Village Bikes here, knows well the dangers of bicycling on busy roads. “I’ve lost three customers who died being hit by cars,” he said. “I don’t even try to sell road bikes anymore. People don’t drive a car anymore. They do everything except drive a car — texting, putting on makeup.”

When Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo recently announced a plan to create the longest multiuse trail in the country, Mr. Burns and other outdoor enthusiasts cheered. His bike store sits next to the Putnam County Trailway, which will be incorporated into Mr. Cuomo’s plan for a 750-mile Empire State Trail. “It’s a great idea,” Mr. Burns said. “It is very safe and very well used.


For myself, I haven't been on a bicycle since college. I'm afraid to, and when I was a teen, it "was square" to be seen riding one.
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Re: NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby RussNelson » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:28 am

Here's my posting from January 11th when it was announced (https://www.facebook.com/groups/abandon ... RlIHRyYWls)

Today, Andrew Cuomo announced the Empire State Trail. It is to be a trail from lower Manhattan to Buffalo and to the Canadian border at Rouses Point. I'm wondering what the routing will be. Scant details are available. Cuomo claims that it will link 40 trails and "all be done on land we already own." This is the only map I've seen so far: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C10kC0oXUAAJp0r.jpg . Some of these are *definitely* abandoned railroads. Other parts can only be rail-with-trail.
Here's my speculation:
o Note that he said "link", not "use". Won't need 40 trails.
o The Hudson River Greenway -- runs along the west side of Manhattan.
o ? Have to jump from Inwood Hill Park to Van Cortlandt Park. 2 miles as the crow flies.
o The Putnam Branch, which is now a trail from Van Cortlandt Park to Brewster.
o The Beacon Line with a trail alongside? Or scrap the Beacon Line? Anyway, the map shows it used.
o The Dutchess County Rail Trail in its entirety.
o The Walkway Over the Hudson State Park
o The Hudson Valley Rail Trail
o ? Have to jump from Lloyd to New Paltz likely using the NY-299 right-of-way. 4.6 miles as the crow flies.
o Wallkill Valley Trail
o ? My guess is they cross to the east side of the Hudson at Kingston.
o ? I have NO CLUE how he expects to connect from Kingston to Albany. My only guess is rail-with-trail along the Amtrak / Metro North River Line. The trains go fast, but there aren't many of them once you get north of Poughkeepsie.
o Looks like they're going to cross the Hudson on the Castleton-on-Hudson bridge used by I-90.
o ? No idea how they'll get from Selkirk-ish to the Port of Albany, which is the southernmost end of the Canalway Trail.
o Once they're on the Canalway Trail, there are a few gaps that just need money and cooperation from CSX, which owns some critical bits of the abandoned West Shore.
o and then there's Syracuse which is a big podge of ick (as far as disused railbeds go -- they've all been built on).
o Back to Albany, you can head north on the Champlain Canal towpath or the Old Champlain Canal towpath, as needed. Some parts are a trail already.
o Mechanicville is another podge of ick, but much smaller than Syracuse. Halfway between it and Stillwater is the Stillwater Multi-Use Trail, the former Stillwater Branch.
o Back to the Old Champlain Canal Towpath.
o Schuylerville is actually fairly non-icky. There's a towpath trail up to Lock 5, then a closed road to cross the Hudson.
o Follow the Old Champlain Canal Towpath to Fort Edward.
o Old Champlain Canal Trail, with a connection to Lake George via the Feeder Canal Heritage Trail and Warren County Bikeway.
o ? I wildly wave my hands at Whitehall and mumble "rail with trail" to Canada.
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Re: NY - All New York State rail trails

Postby RussNelson » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:37 am

I was thinking about Syracuse. Maybe they could convince CSX to let them build rail-with-trail, just to get around Syracuse? After all, they're going to be paying CSX millions to get the West Shore.
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