Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby jayrmli » Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:09 am

They will probably load the cars on the lead outside of the warehouse building. There's enough room for two flatcars outside and room on either side of the track to load containers.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby freightguy » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:02 am

According to Newsday the move should be a go and the waste cars may be here as early as Tuesday. It appears the garbage will be handled on the Elm Global Logistics property. Even though it's just a temporary fix good to see freight shipments increase even more on/off Long Island.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby csx8851 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:54 pm

Excellent, so I will watch for the extra waste cars on the CSX northbound interchange come Wednesday.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby Uncle Cheapo » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:31 pm

Really people, don't buy into what the media says so seriously! This move will happen, but not magically by Mon, Tues, etc.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby Sir Ray » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:55 pm

And according to Newsday, the move is happening.
Although this article is only a preview, it does contain an image of an modified excavator loading light-green plastic-wrapped bales of MSW into a modified gondola - looks to have extended height sides. The excavator is positioned on a makeshift platform (concrete barriers and gravel it looks like), and swings between loading the bales from flatbed trucks to the gondolas, and back. Actually not a bad little ad-hoc track-side industry.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby pumpers » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:38 pm

From the article, LOL: "The first set of railcars were supposed to have been delivered a week ago, but CSX, a national freight operator hired to haul the garbage, mistakenly sent them to New Jersey"
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby Backshophoss » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:24 pm

Newsday has buried the story behind their Paywall,the cars might be former Unit Coal Train "Bathtub" gons
from what I could see thru the blue "paywall",the same "Bathtub" gons have been use for scrap metal haulage
to the blast furnace at a steel mill.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby pumpers » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:09 pm

Funny, when I looked Wednesday around lunch there was no paywall, but now there is. JS
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby murfunit » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:59 pm

East End trash begins to be loaded onto railcars
Originally published: July 29, 2014 9:11 PM
Updated: July 29, 2014 10:19 PM
By CHAU LAM chau.lam@newsday.com

Workers began moving a backlog of trash out of several Suffolk waste transfer sites Tuesday by trucking bales of garbage to a Brentwood facility and loading them onto train cars that will take the refuse to a landfill more than 900 miles away.
The first wave of trash, loaded onto some of the 19 railcars delivered to Elms Global Logistics' facility in Brentwood, is expected to leave Long Island Wednesday night and travel through several states before reaching its destination -- a landfill in Kentucky, according to people involved in transporting the waste.
The first set of railcars were supposed to have been delivered a week ago, but CSX, a national freight operator hired to haul the garbage, mistakenly sent them to New Jersey, officials have said.
The error created further delay in removing the trash, which had been building up for months. The garbage pileup, caused by a shortage of trucks on the Island and other factors, overwhelmed some waste management companies, which notified customers that their waste can no longer be accepted until the backlog clears.
Michael White, an attorney for Omni Recycling of Babylon, who helped broker a deal with the state Department of Environmental Conservation to use railcars to get the garbage off the Island, said state officials should allow waste management to use rails in the future for garbage removal.
"Rail transportation needs to be part of a long-term solution," White said Tuesday.
Typically, trucks that deliver supplies and goods to Long Island are also used to take municipal garbage off the Island. But the increased use of rail freight and other factors have led to a shortage of trucks, leaving some waste management companies unable to keep up with the volume of garbage coming in.
To alleviate the backlog, the DEC issued an emergency authorization on July 18, enabling solid waste management companies to haul garbage off Long Island by railroad. The temporary authorization, which limits the disposal at 550 tons daily, is good for 30 days. That limit works out to be about eight railroad carloads of garbage, White said.
Three waste management companies -- Progressive Waste Solutions, a Canada-based company, Eastern Resources Recycling of Yaphank and Omni Recycling of Babylon -- got permission to use the railroad to move municipal trash off the Island. Progressive, the larger of the three, picks up garbage for Southampton, Riverhead, East Hampton and Southold -- East End towns that generate more garbage during summer, when their population grows.
Assemb. Phil Ramos (D-Brentwood), who took part in a protest last week against the rail plan by local residents and activists, said Brentwood is once again being dumped on because it's a poor community of mostly minority residents.
"Why don't they temporarily keep the garbage in the Hamptons?" Ramos said Tuesday. "It's their garbage."
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby num1hendrickfan » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:55 am

pumpers wrote:From the article, LOL: "The first set of railcars were supposed to have been delivered a week ago, but CSX, a national freight operator hired to haul the garbage, mistakenly sent them to New Jersey"
JS

At least they didn't get lost in Selkirk, which is still one of the running CSX jokes. Find me something they haven't mishandled,.... yet. That said it's good to see rail being used to move trash off of Long Island, maybe this will turn into a permanent endeavor. Perhaps even lead to new customers who might now see rail as a viable option to move their freight. Eastern Long Island especially, perhaps enough freight demand exists for a weekly train out to say Montauk ( there's space enough for a small trans-load facility that could handle some boxcars ).
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:43 pm

How many cars per day are loaded and sent west,from this location?,and when is NY+A switching this location?
(Can understand no pics,due to the smell :wink: )
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby tj48 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:58 pm

Is this operation underway? Was on the LIE this Friday and saw quite a few tractor trailers with the green covered waste loads heading west.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby mwichten » Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Just passed on the train home. Elm logistics parking lot was clear in the vicinity of the curved siding and no cars spotted on the siding. Yard was pretty full and the motive power that is usually parked back there was on the east end of the yard.
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby rr503 » Sun May 24, 2015 2:06 pm

num1hendrickfan wrote:
pumpers wrote:From the article, LOL: "The first set of railcars were supposed to have been delivered a week ago, but CSX, a national freight operator hired to haul the garbage, mistakenly sent them to New Jersey"
JS

At least they didn't get lost in Selkirk, which is still one of the running CSX jokes. Find me something they haven't mishandled,.... yet. That said it's good to see rail being used to move trash off of Long Island, maybe this will turn into a permanent endeavor. Perhaps even lead to new customers who might now see rail as a viable option to move their freight. Eastern Long Island especially, perhaps enough freight demand exists for a weekly train out to say Montauk ( there's space enough for a small trans-load facility that could handle some boxcars ).

I have heard talk of East End towns thinking of using rail for trash, are these rumors plausible?
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Re: Emergency Move Off Long Island by Rail

Postby Backshophoss » Sun May 24, 2015 6:01 pm

That would make sense,take traffic off the LIE(I-495) and get more Trash off the Island with much less fuss,
ULSD fuel prices are going up,as will the fuel surcharge on the trucker's freight bill.
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