NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

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NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Teutobergerwald » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:39 pm

This was mentioned by Jay in a post he made on the Richmond Hill Team Track topic. Anybody know the particulars of this ???? Thanks.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Ocala Mike » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:17 am

And there are posts in another thread suggesting that the LIRR is no longer using the Lower Montauk for its deadhead equipment moves (having already run its last revenue train over it).
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby DogBert » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:24 pm

LIRR wasn't making that many moves along this line. I wonder if it has anything to do with the overall increase of freight along it.

Also, I noticed the produce warehouse in LIC, on the south side of the tracks behind Fresh Direct is being cleared out (part of it actually went on fire 2 weeks ago). According to propertyshark the land is still owned by the LIRR (used to be wheelspur yard). There's a shipping container marked 'NYAR' towards the drawbridge. Anyone know if this is going to become a freight facility? Maybe for whatever facility WM is suppose to build or as a transload to finally kick NYA out of Arch street?
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Insideman » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:06 pm

This yard will replace Johnson Ave yard (next to arch st). Lower Montauk Viaduct is falling down and this will enable its retirement. Look for marine transload along with all the customers from Johnson Ave relocated there.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby SwingMan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:10 pm

Yes it is. I was also down there the day of the fire, by coincidence.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby jayrmli » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:31 pm

The driving force behind this move is due to the future need to equip the line with Positive Train Stop. If they no longer operate passenger trains over the line, they will not have to equip it.

There has been some talk of future activity at the old Wheelspur Yard. I'm not at liberty to post details...and do not know any specifics. As far as I know, it is all still in the proposal stage.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Jeff Smith » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:40 pm

Insideman wrote:This yard will replace Johnson Ave yard (next to arch st). Lower Montauk Viaduct is falling down and this will enable its retirement. Look for marine transload along with all the customers from Johnson Ave relocated there.


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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Teutobergerwald » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:49 pm

A few posts up it says the Montauk viaduct is falling apart and will be retired. If that is so, why have new signals been installed ? You can see one on the northside of the LIE viaduct and you can see other ones when exiting the tunnels from Manhattan going eastbound. Its been said on here and the LIRR forum that both legs of the viaduct (the Cutoff) are to be rehabilitated as part of ESA.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby mikey cruz » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:05 pm

Call me nuts but I don't see a "Johnson Ave" and any yard next to Arch street shops, only thing I know of is the 2 customers over there and the tracks they use.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby DogBert » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:07 pm

There is a johnson ave next to the former bushwick yard, but that's definitely not moving.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Sir Ray » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:32 pm

mikey cruz wrote:Call me nuts but I don't see a "Johnson Ave" and any yard next to Arch street shops, only thing I know of is the 2 customers over there and the tracks they use.

Maybe he meant Jackson Avenue?
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby mikey cruz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:33 am

Thought about that but there's not really any yard there unless he just means the few tracks there, I was thinking am I'm missing some here? LOL. I can't understand how they will do movements if the cut off is retired, back into the LIRR yard and reverse? or run up to the Hell Gate and reverse?
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Insideman » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:04 pm

Steel trestle is a different story then the concrete one over the Penn station leads. The cutoff has lived its purpose; Yard A is gone and Sunnyside has no use for a connection. That's why it only sees the RS40 three times a week and nothing more; LIRR doesn't even use it. Last time they used it was back in August was run TC82 over it in preparation for the hand off.
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby mikey cruz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:04 pm

@ Insideman: So are they thinking about widening the area where the old "wheel spur" yard used to be?
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Re: NYA operates the Lower Montauk Branch now ???

Postby Teutobergerwald » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:23 pm

Why the new signals then ???
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