Where is Mortimer Jct. on the LAL?

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Postby TB Diamond » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:43 pm

Thank you for the info. As I said, it has been a long time since I traversed Jefferson Road (just over 27 years). Don't recall if there was a Firestone store at that location back in those days or not. Otto also mentioned " Just a switch in the woods". He was no doubt being metaphorical, but twenty-seven years ago the location was a cleared field, of this I am sure. The photo shows buildings that I sure do not remember being there years ago.
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Postby Otto Vondrak » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:06 pm

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear- I just assumed everyone was familiar with the present day configuration!

Thanks, all!

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Postby RussNelson » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:52 pm

No, I wasn't familiar. From the aerial photos, it appears as if the LV doesn't go south of I90. Seems to stop somewhere around Henrietta Station: http://www.rutlandtrail.org/mapview.cgi ... =2&dot=Yes

Hmmm... Interesting. Mortimer used to be called 'Red Creek' according to the 1900's topo:
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Postby 8222 » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:37 pm

OK, I guess we now know where the name for the Red Creek Inn came from. All you RIT grads should be somewhat familiar with the Red Creek (ha!). By the way, their property butted up against the EL and when it was torn out, the Red Creek expanded their parking and added the volleyball courts over the old ROW. Not a bad place for a cold one, women in shorts and the west shore...
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Postby clearblock » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:09 pm

[quote="RussNelson"]No, I wasn't familiar. From the aerial photos, it appears as if the LV doesn't go south of I90. Seems to stop somewhere around Henrietta Station: quote]

Yes, it ends about half way between Lehigh Station Road and I-90, just south of Matthews & Fields Lumber Co. which is on the south side of Lehigh Station Road.
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Postby RussNelson » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:13 pm

Thanks, clearblock. And at Mortimer junction the line seems not to cross the old NYC water level route, right? Instead it's been realigned to merge into it. If so, that explains why the E-L got realigned to merge into the LV south of Mortimer. No wonder this one junction has its own topic!
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Postby scottychaos » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:50 pm

RussNelson wrote:Thanks, clearblock. And at Mortimer junction the line seems not to cross the old NYC water level route, right? Instead it's been realigned to merge into it. If so, that explains why the E-L got realigned to merge into the LV south of Mortimer. No wonder this one junction has its own topic!


correct, it does not cross.
(and its the NYC West Shore, not the "Water Level Route", which would technically be the NYC mainline which runs further north, through downtown Rochester.)

The LAL does not cross CSX at grade at all, there is no diamond.
It runs parallel to the West Shore, to the south,
then through Genesee Junction (no diamonds there anymore either)
then curves off to the south to merge with the Rochester & Southern.
reverse direction.
then the R&S crosses under CSX and heads north to Brooks ave yard.

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Postby Otto Vondrak » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:20 pm

Red Creek had turned into a dumpy place when I came to RIT in 1995... it became an extension of MacGregor's I think in 1998 or so... which is great because their outdoor beer garden butts up to the West Shore/LAL tracks!

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Postby TB Diamond » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:11 pm

Otto:
You were perfectly clear. There simply have been too many changes in that particular area for this old guy to assimilate readily. Thanks to all for the updates.
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Postby clearblock » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:16 pm

RussNelson wrote:Thanks, clearblock. And at Mortimer junction the line seems not to cross the old NYC water level route, right? Instead it's been realigned to merge into it. If so, that explains why the E-L got realigned to merge into the LV south of Mortimer. No wonder this one junction has its own topic!


That is correct. As TB Diamond reported in his post on 3/31, the crossing of the West Shore by the former LV and EL tracks was removed in the '80s eliminating the former "junction". It was then an interlocking for a passing siding from Mortimer to Genesee Junction until about 1990 when the switch at Mortimer was removed and the LA&L track parallels the West Shore from Mortimer to a connection at Genesee Junction.

The result of all this is that two grade crossings of Jefferson Rd were replaced by one, eliminating the former EL ROW in that area. Then, the interlocking was eventually eliminated and the LA&L runs all the way to Genesee Junction independent of CSX.
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Re: Where is Mortimer Jct. on the LAL?

Postby GOLDEN-ARM » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:10 pm

resurrecting this old dead post. mortimer jct on the lvrr nyc west shore, erie railroad in the upper left.


LV Mortimer Jct, 1950.jpg
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