Switching at Barilla - Avon

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Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby nydepot » Wed May 15, 2013 7:36 am

How are the cuts of hoppers moved through the unloading areas? Do they have a trackmobile?

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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby the1jp » Fri May 24, 2013 5:58 am

The LA&L pushes 6 tanks all the way through the other (east) side of the receiving building and gravity does the rest. No trackmobile .The road power moves the tanks around. The grade coming out of Barilla is kind of steep so they need the extra power.
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby nessman » Sat May 25, 2013 12:25 pm

the1jp wrote:The LA&L pushes 6 tanks all the way through the other (east) side of the receiving building and gravity does the rest. No trackmobile .The road power moves the tanks around. The grade coming out of Barilla is kind of steep so they need the extra power.
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This makes no sense.

You say no trackmobile needed - gravity does the rest. Then you say road power moves the tanks.

So which is it?
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby chrisnewhaven » Sun May 26, 2013 8:46 am

I believe "the1jp" meant that the road freight power pushes 6 (or less) tank cars up hill to the Barilla Plant, and then slightly past it. They unload the car farthest down on the slope first, then use gravity to let the 2nd car roll into position, then the third, etc. Hope this helps.

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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby nessman » Sun May 26, 2013 9:54 am

So in other words, they're using LAL road power to move cars then.
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby lvrr325 » Mon May 27, 2013 3:27 am

Familiar with the concept of a ramp?

Road power spots the cars on the ramp and ties them down.

As needed brakes are released to shift each car back through.

Of course if you go too far you have a problem, but presumably they have a car mover or something in case of that situation.
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby the1jp » Mon May 27, 2013 7:31 am

My apologies for not being more specific.
The Barilla factory is on lower ground than the main line through the village. About every second day (or as needed) the LA&L road power drops down from the main line (the switch is just north of the road into AL-Don chemical) into the flat where the factory is. The factory is on the flats with the rails in a bowl configuration. The main siding to Barilla passes directly through the receiving building attached to the factory. La&L usually pushes 6 full hoppers through the building and up the slight grade on the other side.The brakes are tied down on the hoppers for unloading. As the hoppers are emptied. the full ones push the empties back through the building along the bottom of the bowl. Usually all 6 will be emptied and then the road power will return to remove them and put 6 full in.
The daily road power almost always switches the plant, but on weekends they will send power from Lakeville here and do the switching.
I have attached a modified and old Conrail Z map with the new Barilla lines in. Sorry not to scale and a little out of date(new siding not added) but should give you the idea of placement.
I hope that clears it up.
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby RussNelson » Tue May 28, 2013 1:10 am

There's also some large industry on the south side of Spring Street which seems to still have two tracks. Used to be the old Erie Main; now stops at the south end of the building.

There also seems to be a self-storage place, and an Erie bridge over a creek on the north side. Here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/190544643

And then there's the stone arch bridge just off NY-39 to the south in Ashantee: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/190544642

And this bridge over the Genesee, to the west: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/131432833
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby the1jp » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:41 pm

Hi. Nydepot et al:
This picture will help describe the scene
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2657408
I am not sure how to properly link to this picture but this pictures shows the elevation change
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Re: Switching at Barilla - Avon

Postby nydepot » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:58 pm

Thank you.

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the1jp wrote:Hi. Nydepot et al:
This picture will help describe the scene
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2657408
I am not sure how to properly link to this picture but this pictures shows the elevation change
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