Current Military Rail Operations

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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby riffian » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:19 pm

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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby riffian » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:36 pm

New story from 2012 about Hill AFB:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20063641
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby Railman1396 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:38 am

I am the engineer for Shaw AFB. I can't give out our schedule (mostly because we don't have one! we operate on an as needed basis.) but we run fairly often.

We have two GE 80 tonners in perfect shape if I say so myself. (I do all the maintenance) #1644 and #1671. I have been told by the depot in Hill that the 80 tonners have been deemed obsolete in the DOD system, and are being phased out. As the Army is currently in need of all the locomotives in the rebuild pipeline, I'm unsure of what I will get next. I hope it isn't one of the trouble prone gensets.

We have 7 miles of track, some of which is on a 2.7% grade. Loads uphill and empties down, figures, right?

Here is a link to a few videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Th3Y4bUFQw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCuZj89-l1I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0vkmQq3eQ

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby JayBee » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:41 am

Crane NWS in Southern Indiana still has rail ops. I believe they have one or two gensets.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby riffian » Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:09 pm

Railman1396, thanks for the update on operations and the interesting videos. It sounds as if your 80 tonners are semi-permanently coupled. With the current move to NRE gensets at the more active military rail operations, yours must be one of the few, if not only, facility still using 80 tonners.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby RailVet » Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:53 pm

There are still quite a few military bases using GE 80-tons or other centercabs.

USAF
Beale AFB, CA (1)
Clear AFS, AK (2)
Shaw AFB, SC (2)

USN
NWS Charleston, SC (maybe 4, plus possibly a couple of 65-tons)
NWS Earle, NJ (1, inoperative, never used since its arrival)
NCBC Gulfport, MS (1 65-ton)
NSB Kings Bay, GA (1 80-ton, 1 65-ton)
NSY Puget Sound, WA (3 65-tons)
NSA Mechanicsburg, PA (2)
NSY Norfolk, VA (2)
NCBC Port Hueneme, CA (1)
NSY Portsmouth, NH (2 65-tons)

USA
Blue Grass Army Depot, KY (4)
Fort Eustis, VA (1)
Fort Sill, OK (3)
Hawthorne Army Depot, NY (1)
Hill AFB, UT (1 - switcher at the Army rail shop, a tenant activity on an air base)
Iowa AAP, IA (2)
Letterkenny Army Depot, PA (2)
Joint Systems Manufacturing Center (formerly Lima Army Tank Plant), OH (2)
McAlester AAP, OK (1)
Camp Navajo National Guard Training Site, AZ (1)
Pine Bluff Arsenal, AR (2)
Radford AAP, VA (1)
Red River Army Depot, TX (2)
Military Ocean Terminal Sunny Point, NC (2 - stored, not used for years)
Tooele Army Depot, UT (4)

USMC
MCLB Barstow, CA - had one but when I was last there a few years ago but it didn't appear to have been used for at least seven years. Yermo Annex to the east has a much more active rail operation.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby Railman1396 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:59 am

I usually only break them apart if one is down or I'm doing the 92 day.

They were front to front when I first got here, but I couldn't stand to run them that way. They just coupled them together the same way they came off the flatcars, and left them that way for 9 years prior to me hiring on.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby riffian » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:14 pm

NRE gensets continue to be delivered to both the Army and Navy. The following is a list of confirmed delivered US Army units and their assignments, if known:

6500 and 6501 - Ft Bliss
6502 and 6503 - Ft Lewis
6504 - Ft Riley
6505 - Ft Hood
6506 - Ft Carson

6513 - Unk
6514 - Ft Stewart
6515 - Ft Bragg
6516 - Unk

Can anyone add anything to the above list?? Thanks
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby brianpwestgate » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:47 pm

Is there a complete list somewhere of all the military railroads that have existed and what their current statuses are?
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby brianpwestgate » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:12 pm

brianpwestgate wrote:Is there a complete list somewhere of all the military railroads that have existed and what their current statuses are?


According to the latest ASLRRA newsletter, Views & News, pp. 4-5, the military is thinking about privatizing it's lines
http://aslrra.org/images/whats_in_the_news/views_and_news/V&N_06-26-14.pdf
Included is a list of installations with active rail operations: http://www.aslrra.org/images/news_file/DOD_Installations_With_Rail_Ops.pdf
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby RailVet » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:24 pm

I recall the Army was talking about privatizing rail operations back in the late 1990s but that never seemed to lead anywhere. We'll see if they follow through this time.

Also, the list of installations with rail operations at

http://www.aslrra.org/images/news_file/ ... il_Ops.pdf

contains a great many inaccuracies. For example, the rail line into Corpus Christi Army Depot was already a distant memory when I visited the site 11 years ago. Fort Belvoir's rail operation closed with the transfer of its last locomotive to Letterkenny Army Depot in August 1993 and was subsequently pulled up. Fort Monroe has not had rail access for many decades. Picatinny Arsenal's rails are long gone, as are the tracks of the Conrail line that connected to the post. Fort Jackson's spur was pulled up a long time ago, as was the branch through Fort George G. Meade. The latter was clearly on its last legs when I saw it in the late 1970s and its locomotive departed in December 1982. Meade's line was subsequently pulled up. Fort A. P. Hill has never had a rail branch into the post, although units going to train there offload near the post at a CSX (ex-RF&P) siding and drive the final miles to their destination. And on and on with various other supposedly active base rail operations on that list.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby riffian » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:58 pm

Interesting development. I guess privatization would mean the end of US government owned locomotives and maintenance of equipment and right-of-way, although employees are already 100% contract personnel. Timing is strange in that the USG is in the process of completely reequipping motive power at the most active military bases with new Gensets.

There are some strange military installations included on the list of Army Rail facilities. The Presidio of Monterrey, to my knowledge never had rail service at any time in its long history. It sits on a bluff above Monterrey and is home to the Defense Language Institute. It used to be an annex to nearby Fort Ord, which did have active rail service, but that closed in 1994 and the Southern Pacific branch line was abandoned and the rails removed at the same time. When Fort Ord was in the process of being deactivated, 1991-1993, its last occupant, the 25th Infantry Division sent all its vehicles out by rail to their new home, Fort Lewis, WA.

The National Training Center, Fort Irwin, CA, is another post that has never had rail service, but is included on the list of Army rail facilities. There is a very active team track on Marine Base Yermo, where vehicles are off loaded from flat cars and moved by road the 35 miles to Ft Irwin. Yermo handles units cycling through the NTC and also handles USMC vehicles returning for rebuild, or disposal.

I still would like to see a current, accurate list of military facilities with active rail.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby RailVet » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:59 pm

Privatization wouldn't necessarily mean the end of government-owned locomotives, etc. Very possibly the Army motive power would remain and be operated by contracted personnel. Also, current Army rail employees are not necessarily contracted. Those at Fort Eustis are, but I know of others elsewhere who remain government employees.

The last division-sized unit at Fort Ord was the 7th Infantry Division (Light), not the 25th, which has traditionally been based in Hawaii but currently has two brigade combat teams in Alaska. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25th_Infan ... _States%29

As for the rails running past Fort Ord, Google Earth shows they largely remain in place, with some rails removed at crossings and the lower end of the line converted to parking lots and a trail in Seaside and Monterey, respectively. The junction at Castroville on the north end of the line has been removed so the rails have no connection to the national rail network. Years ago there was talk of starting a light rail line but that has apparently not gone anywhere.

In any case, for privatization to take place, potential contractors must first show interest.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby Deval » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:49 am

This is quite a tall and tricky order. There are a lot of bases that use rail, like Fort Drum NY, that do not have their own locomotives. Bases like Fort Rucker AL and Fort Lee VA have spurs, but seldom get cars. And Fort Irwin / NTC as you pointed out uses the USMC base at Yermo for their rail, then convoy to NTC.

Military Rails Online has the best roster I know of; at least the webmaster is honest and says it's 8 years out date: http://military.railfan.net/roster/




riffian wrote:
I still would like to see a current, accurate list of military facilities with active rail.
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Re: Current Military Rail Operations

Postby RailVet » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:55 pm

More on this subject:

Headquarters Department of the Army, Deputy Chief of Staff for Logistics (G-4)
Request for Information
Public - Private Partnership concerning Rail Assets

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The Headquarters Department of the Army, Deputy Chief of Staff for Logistics (G-4) is conducting a market survey to identify the capabilities and availability of sources in the market place to meet the Government’s requirements to modernize the Army rail program. This Request for Information (RFI) may also assist with the further development and/or refinement of future Government requirements. Responses to this RFI are due no later than 11:59 PM Eastern Time, July 30th, 2014.

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