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Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby mtuandrew » Wed May 14, 2014 10:49 pm

I don't see a thread regarding these vehicles, so I thought I'd start one here. However, there's been a pretty good discussion of them in this thread: SMART - Sonoma Marin Area Rail Transit. Specifically, the factory has finished testing the units in Japan, and they will be shipped across the ocean for testing in Illinois and eventual service in California. SMART and Metrolinx Union-Pearson Express both plan to operate these cars, and Tri-Met just purchased options from SMART for at least a few units. These vehicles will be fully FRA-compliant, and will feature Tier 4 engines (just revealed to be a Cummins QSK-19R, per the other thread.)

Here's a couple pictures of the finished product, which will be made in Illinois hereafter:
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And the article from which they came: http://roadwarrior.blogs.pressdemocrat. ... -shipping/
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby 4400Washboard » Sat May 17, 2014 4:07 pm

I saw a pretty good program about how they scrap the Japanese DMUs
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby dowlingm » Sat May 17, 2014 5:04 pm

Given that no NS DMUs are as yet delivered in North America I was going to say "a bit soon to talk of scrapping" until I recalled the fate of Irish Rail 22010/11, returned to sender and scrapped (although I think the shells may have been kept)
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby electricron » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:50 am

dowlingm wrote:Given that no NS DMUs are as yet delivered in North America I was going to say "a bit soon to talk of scrapping" until I recalled the fate of Irish Rail 22010/11, returned to sender and scrapped (although I think the shells may have been kept)
http://www.irrs.ie/Journal%20170/170%20 ... 0Class.htm

Toronto's Nippon Sharyo DMUs have arrived in Toronto for the Union-Pearson rail service.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/exclusive-sneak-peek-of-the-union-pearson-express-train-1.1965058
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-s-airport-train-how-would-our-fare-compare-1.2741584
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby jmlaboda » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:44 pm

Toronto's Nippon Sharyo DMUs have arrived in Toronto for the Union-Pearson rail service.


This set was tested in Chicago, Ill., before being shipped north...
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby dowlingm » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:52 pm

Metrolinx tested the lead DMUs in Toronto's Lakeshore West this weekend to validate them against the signalling system. They intend to test on the Lakeshore East line tomorrow.

This picture https://twitter.com/SRPToronto/status/5 ... 2688231424 is taken showing the DMU at VIA Rail's Toronto Maintenance Centre. Metrolinx have opted to have VIA look after maintenance on the DMUs, which makes sense on several levels, not least that VIA has some Budd DMUs and an all high floor fleet, while Metrolinx' Willowbrook yard (in the background, across the mainline) is all locohaul low floor bilevels.

Here's a close up shot of the DMU: https://www.flickr.com/photos/skyrailpr ... 239531712/

More photos and tweets about the UPX DMU tests can be found using the hashtag #trackthetrains https://twitter.com/hashtag/trackthetrains?src=hash
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby dowlingm » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:38 pm

Four more DMUs arrived in Savannah recently so there may be more Rock Island testing after Rochelle does their fit-out. They look like they might be flat end cars.
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby FCM2829 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:30 pm

Anybody know the approximate per car cost?
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby electricron » Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:30 am

FCM2829 wrote:Anybody know the approximate per car cost?

Yes! From
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/urban/single-view/view/sonoma-marin-orders-commuter-dmu-cars.html
The board of Sonoma-Marin Area Rail Transit voted unanimously on December 15 to award a US$56·9m contract for nine two-car diesel multiple-units to Sumitomo Corp and Nippon Sharyo.
Per married-pair set of DMUs, the math suggests $6.32 Million, or $3.16 Million per car. Therefore, a three car train UP will be using should be around $9.48 Million - American.

Would like to point out that the end cars with streamlined cabs ordered by UP used SMART's options, but that the non-streamlines middle cars didn't. Never-the-less, the capital expenses should be similar.
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby bdawe » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:09 am

Has anyone had any word on how these things have preformed live in Toronto or in testing in Sonoma?
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby dowlingm » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:51 am

Bdawe so far so good in Toronto. A lot of whinging about the service (fares/ridership) but rider reports seem to pleased with the on train ambience. VIA Rail do the maintenance (they have some RDCs so I guess Metrolinx thought it easier to leverage that) but presumably Nippon have some sort of post sales/warranty support too.
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby bdawe » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:28 pm

Good to hear. I've sort of hoped that these could some how turn into the next RDC.

I wonder if VIA rail has any interest in them? A lot of their consists are quite short. Perhaps a DMU might be more rapid and economical for a lot of their trains outside the Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto lines
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby dowlingm » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:15 pm

They rebuilt some RDCs for White River and I believe have some additional ones which could be rebuilt. While I agree services like Toronto-Kitchener-Sarnia would make sense as 2-3 Nippons vs 1 F40+2 HEPs, the RDCs could probably be rebuilt in Canada and thus constitute pork (albeit not the latest in accessibility or emissions control). As it was the Union Pearson service was supposed to be RDCs too, until Metrolinx grabbed some of SMART's options.

There were some interesting comments about performance here on rr.net when the first DMU set was being tested on the Rock Island, but if Metrolinx / Bombardier engineers have been seeing similar issues they have not yet been vocal about it on forums I read.
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby bdawe » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:52 pm

Well, from what i understand there's still a fair few of the Smart options floating around, though they might be expiring soon.

Nice thing about NS though is that they seem to have enough FRA-compliant business that their North American factory isn't going to dry up and blow away any time soon

Do you happen to know how many RDCs Via has floating about?
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Re: Nippon Sharyo/Sumitomo DMU

Postby dowlingm » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:47 pm

The Via fleet page has 6 on the active roster (3 RDC1, 2 RDC2, 1 RDC4) but I don't know if there is more on the inactive which could be refurbished if money was forthcoming
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